Exists perfection What is imperfection

Does the imperfection of man mean the imperfection of God?

Your argument is logically correct. To counteract this, someone has to go against the premises.

You say that you must conclude that a perfect God cannot exist when man does exist. This statement is about the truth, not the veracity of the argument. As I said earlier, the argument is logically correct. However, this certainly does not mean that it is true. If I assume that all horses are brown, I can conclude that there are no white horses. This is logically correct, but not true, as the premises are not true.

After all, the points you make in your argument use more premises than they say. For example your step

# 3 and # 4 imply that it was good and right to create anything

actually uses # 6 too. There are more steps like this one.


At the beginning I said that in order to counter your argument, someone has to claim that one or more of the premises are not true. I would say that premise 5, " Nothing imperfect can come from something perfect "is particularly controversial.

The mindset revealed there seems to assume that only the "end product" (perfect / imperfect person) counts. Instead, think for a moment that the process leading to an end product also matters: the development process, possibly both physical and psychological or even social or more ... In this case, one could argue that the development process is perfect at the beginning with imperfection and ends with perfection. God would have created man in his imperfection so that he could grow to perfection and make this process perfect.

Note: These are not my personal ideas.

Sean Rowe

I look forward to your comments. I think you're fair, but I didn't mean to be so rigid. I tried to make it clear that I wasn't interested in beating heads over theology, but I can see I didn't. I would like to hear something else you have to say before I ask questions. Thanks again for the answer.

Keelan ♦

@ SeanRowe maybe I was a little too tough at the beginning, sorry. Since you seem genuinely interested, I have also added a possible counter-argument to my answer.

Sean Rowe

Wouldn't that increase the possibility that God might choose to become imperfect in order to become more perfect? How do you deal with such a recursion?

Keelan ♦

@ SeanRowe They had the premise that nothing higher than perfection can be thought of. Hence, when perfection is reached, the process stops - and since this God is perfect, there is no process for him.

Sean Rowe

If it is within the scope of perfection to be imperfect and yet strive for perfection, then God can be perfect and imperfect at the same time. That is a contradiction. I'm stuck here. I feel like I'm missing something, but I can't seem to get around it.