Is guru man on steroids
An interview with steroid guru Anthony Roberts
An inside look
bulkolly, December 2nd, 2011
Anthony Roberts belongs to a rare genus. He doesn't tell rubbish. He tells you straight out what he thinks - you can either like him or hate him. And when Anthony Roberts talks about steroids, it's a good idea to listen.
Anthony's new book, Generation S: Tales For A Steroid Culture and Anthony Roberts Anabolic Steroids Blog, may also be of interest to the reader.
Muscle and Brawn: Tell me about your new book, "Generation S, Tales for a Steroid Culture"
Anthony Roberts: Well, the book is truly the first book on steroids to take a look at really all of the topics and events related to steroid use that we have seen over a generation ... written from a real inside perspective. It's really unique. Look at it this way: there is only one mainstream steroid book on the market that doesn't just focus on sports alone ("Steroid Nation") ... there are several books that look at specific sports ( "The Juice for Baseball" and "Spiral of Denial for Football", etc ..), there are a number of books that examine certain steroid-using players ("American Icon" looks at Roger Clemens and "Game of Shadows" looks at Barry Bonds ) or look at a specific event ("Chris & Nancy" examines the Chris Benoit tragedy) but my book deals with the entire underground (sub) culture.
And you know what? The list of books I've given you ... I've read them all and in each and every case I've had the privilege of speaking to the authors who wrote them. Just imagine that? To be able to talk to Will Carroll ("The Juice"), Lance Williams ("Game of Shadows") or Michael O Keefe ("American Icon") about steroids in baseball? I found myself in an excellent position as everyone was willing to give me their time - in that regard the book covers some mainstream topics and I was able to speak to some really talented people. The result is two very powerful chapters on baseball.
This book is really completely different from the other books we've seen so far. I saw Operation Raw Deal described in steroid books, but no one had access to the officials who ran the operation AND the underground laboratories that were busted. We've all seen the press releases and media coverage ... no one has spoken to Underground Labor owners who were picked up (even though a newspaper - the New York Times - spoke to me for three hours after the raid). Everyone remembers the numbers repeated over and over in the newspapers and online articles - 56 laboratories busted, $ 6.5 million confiscated, blah, blah, blah ... but it was like getting half that Would read history right? When do we see articles about someone being arrested but no attempt is made to interview that person? Paris Hilton is sentenced to 30 days in prison and is interviewed for two hours by Larry King.
This book is the other half of the story that was never told ...
it doesn't matter if it's both sides of Operation Raw Deal or Operation TKO or whatever. I've spoken to people who have been selling steroids and have been arrested - and not just a fucking spokesman or federal agency. But there's other stuff in this book that people probably don't know about. I spoke to a DEA officer and you won't find stuff like this in any other book.
And of course, since I've worked for every major steroid website in the world, I talk about these pretty extensively ... I make no secret of the fact that I've been threatened with several lawsuits over this book.
Muscle and Brawn: Do you feel that steroids are being demonized in our culture? Are they really that bad? Law enforcement agencies seem to be getting more aggressive lately like the bodybuilding.com raid ... is that a omen for what's to come?
Anthony Roberts: Certainly they are ... most people don't know about them and they made up a spontaneous opinion that steroids are bad. It's always bad when people form uninformed opinions and in this particular case they are doing it against a cause (steroids) and a subculture (steroid users) that don't have much of a mainstream voice to disagree with. They're not as bad as most of the media would have us believe - we won't see baseball players drop dead for using some testosterone and growth hormone during the last five years of their careers ... and besides, what's wrong about making 70 home runs?
The bodybuilding.com raid was really interesting. Bodybuilding.com is the largest online supplements retailer in the world and the idea was to grab the biggest fish and make an example - at the same time, Amazone.com is still selling the same stuff that caused problems for bodybuilding.com .. and you are not alone. It's ridiculous ... they made no example. It's like a firefighter seeing a burning house and putting out the flames in one room and expecting that he has made an example for the rest of the house that will cause the house to stop burning.
It is absurd. Either you go against everyone or you don't go against anyone, but just picking up a few people here and there ... that's inconsistent with law enforcement. It's like arresting a cocaine dealer who sells the stuff 50 grams but does nothing to dealers who only sell the stuff by the gram. And if the excuse is "we can't arrest everyone" then there shouldn't be any damn law going that way. Quite simply, we shouldn't have laws that we cannot enforce consistently and fairly everywhere.
Is this a omen for what is to come? Well, the products (Superdrol, Madol, etc) that bodybuilding.com sold were technically steroids - they fit the scientific description of steroids in every way and they were certainly marketed as such. I don't know if this is a omen of what's to come ... I suspect we won't see bodybuilding.com selling these products again regardless of what happens in court.
A few years ago a couple of people got together and tried to prevent a prohormone ban ... and you know what happened? The guy who started this movement, Patrick Arnold, got arrested for selling steroids to BALCO and that brought the whole thing to a standstill. It is pathetic when the industry finally manages to form a united front against these compounds being legally classified as steroids and the guy leading it being condemned as a steroid dealer. That made the whole industry look pretty stupid ...
Muscle and Brawn: To get back to your point, Ebay and Amazon still allow CELs Mdrol to be sold.
You are known as the guy who is not afraid to expose ... which means you are not afraid to point out bodybuilding follies, online steroid sites, etc. Do you also point out some idiots or stupid things in your new book?
Anthony Roberts: In my new book, nobody gets a free ticket. Unfortunately, this means that I target a lot of people ... I settle for law enforcement agencies, steroid gurus, research chemicals, fraudulent steroid sites, dealers, websites, etc ... You name it and I settle it. I don't let anyone off the hook ... I definitely won't let myself off the hook and that's why I'm not doing anyone else this favor.
That's the strength of the book ... doesn't take sides on many subjects. For example, everyone knows that the "not fit for human consumption" reference to sites selling research chemicals is a lie. But for me, the real fools are the law enforcement agencies. They sit idly while these people show them the finger ... "Not suitable for human consumption" is written on the label right next to the words "Pina Colada taste".
Law enforcement from the FDA to the DEA to the FBI look like a bunch of fools and I'm not afraid to say it the way I see it. It is absurd. I don't necessarily want the industry that sells these research chemicals to shut down, but neither can I ignore this topic or talk about it. I talk about everything in my book. And in this particular case, I see law enforcement looking like idiots in a very public way. There are several chemical companies that have sold millions of dollars worth of Clenbuterol - an unapproved drug for over half a dozen years and no one has been arrested. It's a joke.
In terms of bodybuilding, where should I start? The IFBB signed the World Anti Doping Code (which I do not support), but they shamelessly allow (read: requires) the widespread abuse of steroids. I believe that IFBB should step down from their support for WADA and stop being hypocritical. They shamelessly break the code at every single competition while publicly claiming that they support it. The NFL didn't sign the code and it didn't harm them, right? And WADA did nothing to get the IFBB to abide by the code. It's a joke in every way. WADA and IFBB look like fools at best.
And of course I cover everything I know about my previous employers ... many of them have tried to intimidate me and my editor with threats of lawsuits. These people are so scared of what I know about them that they are threatening to sue me before they even read the book. Remember, I don't make people look like fools or try to embarrass them ... I just talk about them, what they did and what they said ... and they do it Work for me. If anyone in my book looks like a fool, it's not because I make that person look foolish ... they do that part for themselves. And if they've committed crimes, that's what I'll talk about in my book ... after all did they commit the crime and not me.
Muscle and Brawn: I want to ask you about weight-related sports ... bodybuilding and powerlifting. Do you think these sports would be better off ignoring the topic of steroid use / abuse? Or do you think steroids should stay in the recreational athlete's realm?
It seems to me that for as long as professional bodybuilders have been enormously bulky, this is great for supplement sales ...
Anthony Roberts: When steroids are ignored in the bodybuilding realm, it's a little strange. They are an accepted part of the lifestyle and everyone from the judges at the competitions to the competitors themselves to the supplement companies knows what is going on. The problem is that the American government also knows what is going on.
From 2008 to 2009 we saw several arrests that included several prominent bodybuilders in Oklahoma, as well as Lee Thopmson, a referee with the National Physique Committee and the International Federation of Bodybuilders. So it's one of those "open secrets" that can hit anyone at some point.
People arrested on steroids always ask me, "Why am I being arrested while Jay Cutler (the current Mr. Olympia) is free?" - so I asked the federal agent who directed the Oklahoma arrest wave the same question. Why do you (* NPC Bodybuilder) arrest Darrell Terrell and not Jay Cutler? Do you know what the officer replied to me? He said, "Jay doesn't live in Oklahoma."
Every major supplement company uses pictures of bodybuilders using steroids to sell their products, and the people at these companies know that their supplements didn't create these bodies. This cannot go on forever ... we will, in my opinion, see some major problems in the years to come as the magazines and competitions will be so filled with steroid users that the very existence of the organizations will be threatened if the government eventually turns its attention to them. How many times has Victor Martinez been arrested? I think he's been arrested three times on steroids and is one of the best bodybuilders in the world. It won't get any better ...
You won't get away with a warning like professional wrestlers did. Bodybuilders don't have a Vince McMahon with a bunch of clever lawyers at the helm ... they have a bunch of monkeys running the business.
As for powerlifters, I think they don't have to worry too much. Nobody looks at powerlifting competitions, and big, fat, super-heavy powerlifters aren't used to sell supplements in the half-dozen glossy magazines that you see on every newsstand. You can't even find Powerlifting USA (the only powerlifting magazine in existence) anywhere ... while Flex, M&F, MD, etc can be found in every 7-11. So I think powerlifters are on the safe side for the most part, but I can predict with some degree of certainty that the bodybuilding arrests we saw in Texas and Oklahoma will continue - and probably will on a larger scale.
Muscle and Brawn: When you wrote Generation S, was there a certain chapter that spurred you on and / or that you enjoyed the most?
Anthony Roberts: My readers cheer me on - the people who visit my blog every day or read my articles in Muscle Evolution and the people who email me or talk to me on Facebook and let me know they agree with what I write . That kind of support keeps me going when I think about quitting. My editor also encourages me ... when we were made aware of the fifth (yes, there are 5) threats of lawsuit, I thought he wasn't particularly happy with me ... and he was pissed off, but not up me ... he was upset that people threatened us with lawsuits to try to prevent the truth from coming out. I'm probably in the 5th round of revision and am changing things for legal reasons to make the book stronger in every way and double-checking everything to make sure I can defend everything I write in court . I found it exciting to do this! I saw it as an opportunity to make the book stronger.
However, to answer the question in a more specific way, I originally found it very exciting to talk about all the things my previous employers did behind the scenes, a lot of laws have been (and still are) made by my previous employers broken this chapter is the longest in the book and at 40 pages almost twice as long as any other chapter. That was then now I realize that the book goes beyond my experiences. A lot of people have crawled out of their holes to share their experiences with me, and I've done my best to do them justice in my book. Christian Navoy is one of those people
Chris was the owner of ResearchChemist.com and he is currently serving a 27 month jail sentence. What excites me about this case - and I've looked at hundreds, if not thousands, of pages of documents related to this case - is the media response to it. Fox 5 originally claimed it made growth hormone while local police claimed it was selling testosterone. Neither was true, and even after pleading guilty, Channel 2 New reported that "law enforcement officials believe the couple ran a steroid laboratory" despite not having been charged with steroids or anything related to growth hormones was, any of this was mentioned in the search warrant, and statements by the lead investigator in court did not include any trafficking in steroids. Rather, the lead investigator testified that he had no knowledge that Chris had ever sold steroids or growth hormones to anyone.
Yet even after all of this was said and done, the media kept talking about steroids.These types of things need to be disclosed of an arrest because of steroids without steroids! And the media persisted - they kept talking about steroids, even though the evidence to the contrary continued to mount. I think there is an accountability here and I hold these people accountable for this being incredibly sloppy journalism and also for the local police spreading misinformation. This is the kind of thing this book is about, I'm a pit bull when it comes to those kinds of things, and if it means reading a thousand pages of court records to convict someone of the lie, then I will do and i will crucify them.
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